A quick movie update. The movie 2016, Obama's America, is now showing to sold out audiences all over the country. The biggest crowds to date are actually in New York, go figure. We have 4 local theaters showing this documentary. The closest are El Dorado Hills and Folsom. Five showings daily at each venue.
Want to know what the next four years may look like with a second term of Obama? Whether you are conservative, independent or liberal you should see this movie. We all need to ask ourselves if we really want a completely different America. Go take a look, you might be surprised.
To balance the issue, here's couple of links to reviews of the movie that are not necessarily favorable:
Of coure there are also reviews that fully support the movie, but I'll leave it to others to post them if they wish.
"Want to know what the next four years may look like with a second term of Obama?" It's pretty clear from your statement which side of the issue you are advocating, and that you believe that the movie accurately reflects our future if the President is re-elected. Again to quote your post which is related to promoting the movie: "either you want the America Obama does or you do not." That seems to imply that you believe the movie accurately portrays the America Obama wants. I just provided a couple of references to give counterpoint to that. By the way, I've never seen a Moore movie -- I'm not interested in special-interest propaganda from either side.
Thanks for the common sense heads up on 2016 and where people can view it. It's amazing how you post something in a quite balanced way and Mr. Wallace jumps all over it like he's working for the DNC. If you consider his sources for his information, that answers the question of what the problem is... Cool Aid drinker...
I wouldn't waste a lot of time responding to those sorts of posts as the lib's have teams to troll around and create confusion and steal threads to get them off topic in order to avoid having people be informed by actually staying on topic and working through it. Now, I'm not calling Mr. Wallace a troll or one of those people who routinely do that but it's possible he is. I'm just saying, thanks for posting the thread on the threat we are up against with Mr. Obama as a potential president for the next four years and the threat he represents to our nation and her principles if he were to win. I understand that is a very deep look into his background and motives and what he really wants to make happen TO America if he has his way. I will be going next tuesday to see it. If you want to get together to go, let me know. I'd love to go with you!
In fact, it would be a blast to get a group together to go see it if there are more that would like to go.
I'm not sure what one gains in trying to support their position by attacking the poster, rather than addressing the pros and cons of a topic. You can say you aren't attacking me but comments such as "troll" and "cool aid drinker" fail to invoke a friendly feeling. And does providing a counterpoint equal "Mr. Wallace jumps all over it like he's working for the DNC"? Give me a break.
My post was completely on topic, providing another source of information related to the subject so people might make an informed decision on whether to go to the movie. Whether you approve or not of the sources provided should be irrelevant.
It's apparent from the few posts I've made that these political threads are mostly dominated by folks who've made up their minds, and somehow feel a civic duty to make up the minds of those who disagree with them. You might be more successful if you argued the points (for example, by identifying which comments in the two links are unsupportable with facts) rather than just trying to demean another poster. My personal solution to this problem is simple: I'll confine my comments to threads that encourage give and take, rather than those ones argued with dogmatism and invective. And no, I don't have thin skin, it's just that I'm wasting my time here and chose to no longer do so.
You said: "I'm not sure what one gains in trying to support their position by attacking the poster, rather than addressing the pros and cons of a topic."
Like you did? You chose to claim John's very simple post was in need of "balance" and proceeded to offer a slimebag website as your balance!
Then you said: "Whether you approve or not of the sources provided should be irrelevant."
Really? Maybe facts don't matter to you but they do to me and like many American's who have been negatively impacted by this garbage flowing out of Washington DC, I'm sick and tired of people claiming to be offering simply informative posts while ignoring that they are flat out lies while asking me to be reasonable. I'm a reasonable guy but I am not going to watch you or anyone else trample on my country any longer then turn and lie straight to my face. I will fight to my death for the truth to prevail so yes, it does matter if I approve of your sources! They are smarmy, slimy, slanted, sources that lie to promote their agenda, not the truth. And that SHOULD matter to you too.
And you said: "You might be more successful if you argued the points (for example, by identifying which comments in the two links are unsupportable with facts)"
You'd absolutely love that wouldn't you? YOU JUST MADE MY POINT! You'd rather steal the thread and debate your article rather than watch the movie or let others decide to watch the movie! Nice try. You miss the point. It isn't about changing other peoples opinion, it's about standing up for the truth and what I believe is best for American and our future. The lies and all that go with this administration require a response by every concerned American and I am standing up to fight for this country. I don't care if I change your mind or not. Speaking of dogmatic, are those kibbels in your bowl?
God Bless America
I've not seen the movie yet, but plan to do so very soon. What's to fear? I'm not concerned how either party, or their henchmen websites, "reviews" this movie, I'm nore interested in how it is viewed by real people, voters. The truth, at least the truth the director wishes you to see? Watch the movie and take it's message with a grain of salt. Form your own opinion, but at least use it as a tool to start some research. Truth is not subject to hope and change, truth is truth, and should be recognizable as such by anyone seeking it.
Having educated myself by reading both Obama's books, and several others I'm presently in the process of finishing, this movie intrigues me. If all voters read at least both of Obama's books, I'm very curious if they'd still consider voting him in for a second term, even after all he's done thus far? In my opinion, his past, views and current record easily condemn him to only one term.
Romney / Ryan 2012!
Mr. Wallace, you state "these political threads are mostly dominated by folks who've made up their minds, and somehow feel a civic duty to make up the minds of those who disagree with them".
I agree that that is exactly why you responded to Mr. Hein's (and subsequently Mr. King's) original post where he simply was suggesting people to view the 2016 movie and make up their own mind. In your responses Its almost as if you would rather folks didn't go view the movie, similar to the movie's censorship the White House has been attempting. Yet I agree with the premise that those who are already hard over and informed on facts will not change their minds in the election with this movie. I did view the film and was disappointed that to me nothing new was revealed about Mr. Obama; rather it confirmed to me, and I'm sure those who seriously studied the candidates in the 2008 elections, what we knew about Mr. Obama, particularly his past associates, mentors, lineage, and travels leading in his formative years to his ideological bent and real intent. So we connected the dots way back then, and his Obama I Presidential tour has borne out our conclusions. Therefore we, who oppose this Obama I, will not likely change our vote; nor will hard over followers such as yourself. What is great about the movie, is Mr. Souza's ability to articulate those facts and connect the dots for those who are unaware, and simply voted for "hope and change" last time around. And that crowd, who may feel that their dream idea of "hope and change" is completely different from the promised "hope and change" under Obama I, constitutes something like a betrayal, and do not want more of the same under a Obama II, to become reality in 2013-2016. Not the first time the voter public has been snookered by an unknown Presidential candidate; e.g., back in 1976, a Mr. Jimmy Carter, Georgia Governor, was elected on similar "hope & change", after a never-elected Gerald Ford faltered. Just a few months before his election, Jimmy appeared on a TV quiz show called Guess My Line. None of the professional panel knew his occupation as the present Georgia Governor nor candidancy for President. And we all know the rest of that story; Jimmy Carter as a one-termer President.
So yeah, read your links and go see the movie. I find it hilarious that the desperate WH campaign has resorted to again bashing/blame; this time around its differentiated Mr. Obama claiming he inherited a mess from Obama I, and we need to hire Obama II to clean it up.
Mr. Obama I is correct in that this election may be the most defining election in America's history and future; that's exactly why we need to cast out any chance of Obama II.
Don’t waste your time trying to convert a liberal. It does happen, but it has to be personally painful for their awakening.
Your time is better spent asking open minded people to look at history and current "cause and affect" that’s right there for all to see. The hardest part of this is learning to differentiate truth from propaganda, consider the source. It would be nice if you could believe our government, but at this time I find them ambiguous at best. And the media…. Oh please!
You know the media is compromised when the W.H. press core must submit a draft for approval or risk being uninvited to the press room.
Do many multitudes of searches on each topic, like “true unemployment numbers” “real nation debt chart” (laughable bogus ones too).
Some I liked, but keep looking on your own.
The current administration has given us a good idea of their intentions and who they are. Armed with this knowledge, we have important decisions to make.
This November election will be the most important event in our nation’s history, on par with our battle for independence or our survival of WWII. The people have the power to make or break our future as never before.
Economic collapse/death of the Constitution/Oligarchy/ Feudalism /Serfdom.
I spent over 20 tyears in serviceto our Country as officer , with 20 months service in Viet Nam uinder combat conditions, I have not seen the movie and don't know for whom I will vote. I have a question for those of you whom have serverd ( Including Navy who where on land) Who does Rommey with 5 sons never served includeing the candidate deseerve support/. I realize that the President did not serve, but he was too young too serve in combat? With due respect service to own's church is not service to our counrtry.
Richard although both candidates have not served in the Military, I doubt you will ever hear Romney call a Navy Corpsman a "Navy Corpse man" like Obama did. Since neither have served I personally would rather have a Commander in Chief that grew up respecting the Constitution and government than one that grew up with a Marxist, Communist, Socialist anti government ideology and had friends like Bill Ayers the cop bomber.
Obama dislikes police and I feel has a "necessary evil" attitude towards the military. He will mold it to serve his needs to enforce change. Obama has never attended a National Police Memorial ceremony as all presidents before him has. The only time you see him with military is when he uses them as a backdrop for a speech.
President Obama could have easily served in the military and could have easily seen combat too. You have had multiple conflicts that occured during his 20-30's where he could have been involved. The issue is he simply didn't join the military, same with Romney.
As for service to this country, I agree church service is not country service. I also believe it doesn't matter which branch one chooses to serve in it all boils down to service to this great country.
I will see the movie and decide its merits myself. Same with the choice for President. My personal opinion is I have seen what President Obama has accomplished in the last four years and just do not want to continue down that path for another four. Unemployment is up, debt is up, taxes up, healthcare costs up and so on. I am willing to let another person give it a try, it might work.
Yes, Richard I served in the Navy as an Officer, someone has to protect and direct the Army guys or nothing would get accomplished....hehehe..also why the Marines report up to the Navy as well.
I agree the USMC does report to the Chief of Navy Operation , The only 4 star General of the USMC is a member of the Jt. Chiefs along with the Navy Chief of Naval Op. That seems more equal too me.
Here's quote from the end of the movie:
" In 2008, we didn't know what change was, now we do.
We didn't know who Barak Obama was, now we do.
Vote for the AMERICAN Dream, NOT for Obama's dream"
I have read Dreams FROM My Father, the Obama AUTOBIOGRAPHY, The movie was mostly his book, his words,supported by first hand accounts. There are documented facts regarding his policies. I would say it is a horror film. No we can't let it happen. To be an informed voted you must see this movie. Perhaps you will agree with Obama; however you should know him. The Regal El Dorado will even give youa free small popcorn if you like.
Carol Frost Gustafson
I must have missed a class in Pol. Sci. or the command structure ,But I don't think we at Rancho Murieta vote for either Ms. Pelosi(D SF) or Sen Reid(D NV). Your comment reads like Repubican pr piece which belongs at the local Republican Party mtg. and not on this web site.. I am NOT a fan of either pol. I see enough of the polical BS on TV and don't need it on this site Lt. Commander.
Richard, and everyone else still on the fence.
Go see the movie