Security catches vandals, complaint lodged, names revealed, lessons learned...we hope!
CAUGHT! 4 individuals 18 and 19. They did this FOR FUN and have done other night fun things at night all this summer. Thank you RM Security!
To the parents of the boys that stepped out from the bushes on Murieta Pky North last evening pelting my husbands vehicle with eggs. He was returning from a business trip and was exhausted. These boys were older teens. They should have learned to respect others when they were much younger.
Let me tell you how lucky your "boys" were. The man in that truck spent all last year in Iraq. When he heard the eggs, he actually thought it was paint ball pellets. His reacted immediately. He stopped, your coward sons ran. Good thing, or I may have been bailing him out this morning. You might have been visiting your sons in the hospital.
Anyone can be a parent, but not everyone SHOULD be parents. You are failing.
I am so sorry for this Debra. I don't have any clue who these boys might be but I hope they are identified and that suitable punishment is meted out. And I hope their parents get a clue. It seems there are a number of parents who are turning a blind eye, don't care or don't want to believe their little darlings would do such a thing. That's disgusting. As you say, anyone can be a parent - no let's change this to anyone can make a baby - but it doesn't necessarily make them a parent.
Thank you for reporting this to the Sheriffs. Since my husband comes home at all hours regularly - thank you, thank you, thank you for your good work in making sure this doesn't happen again.
And if you can't print their names because they are minors...maybe printing their parents names would be punishment enough, think of their embarrasment! Heaven forbid....
Thank you Debbie for pursuing this, thank you Security for doing the best you can with what guidelines you have to follow.
And while thanking Debbie for bringing this to our attention, I want to thank Linda Garcia again for pursing the DUI teenage driver incident. More residents need to stand up and do the right thing and not let things slide.
If these individuals are 18 years and older, then they are legally adults, correct? Shouldn't they be identified by name so we all know who they are?
Yes, if they are adults their criminal history is public information. Seems like I’ve posted this link before, but here it is again…
As a matter of fact, you can also look up to see if they are incarcerated….
BTW, great job following up on this Debra! Personally, I would go after full restitution. Why should your insurance company have to pay for the damages caused by these guys?! If your insurance has to pay for the repair, will your insurance premium increase?
Out of control teens (unfortunately this is extending into late teens in to their twenties now since many kids are not moving out for a very very very long time) have been an issue in here for some time. It is time for them to learn, if their parents are not going to teach them, that there are consequences for having fun at other peoples expense. Hats off to CSD, there has been a push back from some parents toward CSD catching and the sheriff punishing such behavior. We need to, as neighbors, realize the importance of respecting each other.
Loved your posts, Debra, Raelyn and Jan. Between this and the DUI issue that so many want to ignore, we've got to do something to ensure our community remains the wonderful, safe place it has been to live in. It seems there are many - parents, kids, CC members, other residents - who don't seem to take our Security Patrol seriously and blow them off. That needs to stop. Unfortunately, I don't have a concrete plan to offer, but the community needs to be coming together to figure out how we can make our Security more respected. They get blown off because everyone - especially kids, it seems - know or think they can't really do anything to them, though the same people who have no respect for them probably don't have any respect for any other law enforcement agency, either. That's even more clear now with the information about these kids' attitudes and past crimes that Debra has found out. Kids learn that attitude and belief system from their parents who also have no respect for rules or authority. How do we turn that attitude around?
Sorry, to get back to the real intent behind this post. I had the same reaction to Debra's initial comment about just wanting to get the parent's to pay her deductible so she's not out of pocket. However, the more I thought about it - and having just gone through a vehicle damage settlement for an accident deemed to be someone else's fault - Debra will pay her deductible (hopefully reimbursed by the immature adult children) and her insurance company will take care of getting her truck fixed in timely fashion. But, because this was a crime (vandalism or whatever, there was a police report), once the perpetrators are found guilty, the insurance company will seek indemnification from the perpetrators to get their money back, including small claims or civil judgement against them.
The same is true for any other of their activities that were reported and for which they are convicted. If there isn't voluntary restitution, the injured parties can sue for damages in either small claims or civil court. I don't know the statute of limitations on these older crimes, but I hope folks come forward and put pressure on both the adult children and their parents to gain restitution.
Am I surprised by the Chief's reluctance to give out the name, not really. Unfortunately I think that's how things are handled here. If I were you, my next step would be the Sheriff's Dept. They have no loyalties to R.M., we're just a blip on their radar. If you haven't already filed a report with them, then definitely do so now.
Don't give up!!!
It seems that the safety and well being of "everyone" is not worth while if you Daddy is important (and by important I mean someone who is willing to bully anyone around them and threaten to sue to keep their child's "good name" in tack). You need to make sure that the sheriff knows the whole story and is willing to do something. Also you should press CSD as to why they are not filing charges for break in of their car. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tired of parents letting their kids get away with this crap. They nearly hit my 2 year old with an illegal firework this 4th of July I HAVE HAD IT!!!!!!!!!! If CSD/SSD does not feel like following through on this I am curious if there is a private attorney that would. They are actively trying to ruin people lives, destroy their possessions and physically hurt completely innocent kids enough is enough! If security is not willing to open this information up, as I believe he is legally obligated to do, then I think it may be time to "call for back up"
That is interesting....Bottom line, call the Sheriff’s Department (916-874-5115 / non-emergency #), request a Deputy come out to take your report. Give the Deputy the Security Officer’s name and information. The Deputy can list the Security Officer as a witness in the report, interview him and glean the necessary information, i.e., suspects names, etc., and proceed from there. Once the information is listed in the Sheriff’s Crime Report, you can request a copy for your records/insurance company. If you want to press charges against the involved parties, let the Deputy know so the appropriate steps are taken. Good luck Debra!
So, I spoke with our good friend who is the chief public defender in yolo county about this and his conclusion is that this looks like it could be considered obstruction of justice on the part of RMA and/or CSD. If they choose not to release the names and contact information of these people to the sheriff and the insurance company, who both have the right to ask for it directly, this actually increases their liability. If I were you I would encourage your adjuster to pursue CSD directly. And I would make sure that the SSD officer who is working with this case knows that they are refusing to release this information. I would also speak with your attorney about this. (if you do not have one retained you should) Something tells me, and it would not take a rocket scientist to figure this out, that this is probably the child of someone on the board (RMA/CSD). I think we also need to think long and hard about who we elect for these boards.
Not sure, but this may be helpful since CSD is a governmental agency . . . .
The California Public Records Act (Statutes of 1968, Chapter 1473; currently codified as California Government Code §§ 6250 through 6276.48) was a law passed by the California State Legislature and signed by the Governor in 1968 requiring inspection and/or disclosure of governmental records to the public upon request, unless exempted by law.
With respect to police and other criminal justice law enforcement agencies, Government Code §6254, subd. (f) applies to records that “encompass only those investigations undertaken for the purpose of determining whether a violation of law may occur or has occurred. If a violation or potential violation is detected, the exemption also extends to records of investigations conducted for the purpose of uncovering information surrounding the commission of the violation and its agency.” Haynie v. Superior Court, 26 Cal.4th 1061 (2001) But the exemption also applies to “any investigatory or security files compiled by any other state or local agency for correctional, law enforcement, or licensing purposes,” including investigations by state or local regulatory agencies. If the investigation does not have one of these purposes, the exemption does not apply. Register Division of Freedom Newspapers Inc. v. County of Orange, 158 Cal. App. 3d 893 (1984). The exemption may be asserted no matter how old and dead the investigation may be. Williams v. Superior Court, 5 Cal. 4th 337 (1993) But unless disclosure would threaten the successful completion of an investigation or the safety of a person involved, an agency must disclose the basic “who/what/where/when” facts in crime, incidents and arrest reports, including requests for assistance, at least with respect to “contemporaneous police activity” rather than attempts to obtain information about an officer’s long-term performance that would otherwise be confidential (see 6 above) County of Los Angeles v. Superior Court, 18 Cal.App.4th 588 (1993).
Thank you very much for following up, and holding the criminals responsible for their acts.
Can you please release their names and address?
Good work by all involved! I understand the reluctance to release the names. There are all sorts of potential risks of doing so that are both legal and personal.
But, a crime of this sort, especially if it is part of a string of such crimes, should be of interest to the River Valley Times and maybe even the Bee. Newspapers may have the right to publish the names of "alleged criminals," and I would think they have a responsibility to notify the larger community (not just frequenters of RM.com) of such activity.
There may well be more victims out there that would like the chance to add to the list of incidents these goons are responsible for outside our gates. If enough people know about this, the names will come out. People talk.