Tea Party and Progressive Americans for Truth Issue Joint Invitation for Congressional Candidates to Debate
In spite of their sometimes divergent political views, two local groups, the River Valley Tea Party Patriots and the Progressive Americans for Truth have agreed that voter education is important for good government. A joint invitation has been issued to Congressman Lungren and challenger Dr. Ami Bera to attend a debate on September 26. Congressman Lungren has accepted and a response from Dr. Bera is pending. To view the invitation, which includes the proposed format of the debate, visit www.rvtpp.org.
The longest journey starts with a first step, both parties should welcome the event...would be interesting and good for everyone to listen and understand different viewpoints.
I don't personally don't want to hear another word from any Progressive. There may be a reason to go if you are clueless and undecided on the problems and proposed solutions from the political groups in today's politics but I fully understand and reject their ideology and I'm READY TO VOTE. I know Lundgren's record and I support him. He HAS my vote! The term progressive is simply a newer term that has been coined to hide and make more acceptable the socialist agenda that they want forced on all Americans. That's the real TRUTH. Those who support that agenda ought not even use the word "truth" in their name unless they want to actually tell the truth which would lead to their ideology being entirely rejected and their candidacy ended!
It's time to do away with the "Progressive", "Liberal", "Socialists", "Democrat", "Leftist", failed ideology of higher and higher taxes on the job creators and more and more handouts for votes. Obama had his chance with the congress entirely with him and he implemented every socialist plan he could with their rubber stamp. How are we doing now that all of his wonderful plans have taken effect? Answer: Lousy! He has taken the deficit that was $4 billion and ballooned it to $16 billion and all the flaming libs who cried a river over Bush's deficit are now... silent! Hypocrits!!!! He has failed and his socialist ideology has failed in America just as it has failed everywhere it has been tried. Put it in it's grave and cover it over once and for all and go back to conservative ideology that works, stimulates the economy, creates an environment of investment and earnings without fear of being made into a criminal for earning a profit and without being taxed massively for earning a profit!
Enough is enough! Just vote!
ROMNEY 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The DNC has a target on Lungren!! The billboards sponsored by the DNC are a disgrace! As well as filled with lies. It seems all that is coming froms democrats is a pack of lies. Wake up America before it's too late. Obama is a nightmare that we need to stop.
Go Lungren and Romney!!
And it's simply because NObama cannot talk about what he's accomplished because all that he has accomplished is passing the largest tax increase in the world's history on the American people veiled with the lie that it will solve our healthcare problems AND quadrupling the deficit to a mind boggling $16 Trillion dollars! But somehow, no one cares about the deficit anymore! Amazing isn't it?
Steven, you can call me any name you want...I have lived here for 25 years, and can and will comment any time I want. Not sure what set you off this time...but from your comments, you sound like a commentator from Fox....Clearly you have made up your mind...as have I...and there might be some people out here or around this area that haven't...I get that you would prefer that Rancho Murieta round up all Democrats/Progressives, or at the least prevent us from speaking or educating ourselves....and then you know what I'd have to call you?? Your party is always complaining and worried about the 2nd amendment...but the 1st Amendment is more important to me...and I'm using it to the fullest...just like you are doing...unless you want our country to become a dictatorship, we have two plus political parties and many different views.....Take some deep breathes and chill out.....
Myrna you must be joking. Obama not only wants to squash the second ammendment but also the first, unless of course you share his socialist/communist veiwpoint. You folks just don't get it. I for one do not share Obama's dream for America...to make us weak, to trnsfer wealth from those who have earned it to those who sit on the a** and expect us to take care of them. Maybe you want to do all of that but I and others like me do not.
It is not my responsibilty to give away what I have earned in my lifetime to support losers or illegals who want a free handout. That's where your party has gone and that is your base....period. Deny it if you want but it is true. Ther majority of democrats are people who expect the rest of us to pay for them.
I REFUSE AND WILL FIGHT IT!!!! I don't work my a** off in a private business to give my success away. And Obama or any other person did not build my business.....I DID!!! I got help from no one.
Myrna,
I know your last post was not directed to me, but I must point out that I believe your president has, in fact, acted as a dictator lately. Signing executive orders when he can't get either his party, or the republicans to pass what he desires. I don't believe anyone wants to stifle your free speech, they're just tired of hearing your party's views 24 / 7 in the print and video media.
The amount of main stream news media that emmanates from both Los Angelas and New York easily dominates and sets the stage for all other news agencies around the USA, even though no significant population outside of LA and NY doesn't really gives two flying %@%&$@%$ for what your party is trying to sell. That's a fact. Conservative news is only heard on Fox's cable news network, a far cry from NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, HLN etc......please notice I haven't included the many failed AM radio programs your leftist party tried to use to promote their agenda (air america, Randi Rhoades etc...).
Nobody is trying to stifle your right to your political ideology, they're just letting you know they've grown tired of hearing it, and being forced to live with its consequences. I mean no offense, but I honestly feel the same way. This is not a Euro-America. Our country fought to separate itself from that sort of government and we must not let it slip back into such a catatrophic condition.
As important as the first amendment is, I'd suggest you value the second one even more, for without it, the first amendment might not exist.
For whatever reasons you hated Bush, I dislike Obama so much more, I can assure you of that.
Romney 2012!!
Myrna,
I think it is plain to all that you have no facts to support your position. Otherwise, you wouldn't avoid the subject and accuse me of being a racist as you just did in your last post. I think what you did was expose your own racist mindset by making those comments! I never suggested you shouldn't speak. I never suggested you shouldn't educate yourself and I never made any kind of comment suggesting anyone be "rounded up". Every one of those words are YOUR words. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that you are calling me a racist! And THAT in itself is racism! Why on earth would you bring racial verbage into this? You owe me an apology!
Secondly, I'm not sure what makes you think I care how long you've lived here. It doesn't seem to have helped you in the least to have lived here 25 years. Maybe you should get out more often? I lived somewhere the past 25 years too. Does that matter?
Finally, if your hopes are to persuade the undecided to your ideology of government control of every aspect of our lives, I suggest you provide sound facts and logical reasoning instead of race bating inuendo. And I'd also recommend you stop watching Fox news if you don't like their brand of news. I don't happen to watch news on television at all so that must really frustrate you. It doesn't have to be personal but for some reason, you just made it very personal when you made those comments. They were over the line and uncalled for. I'm surprised that you would stoop that low.
http://2016themovie.com/ MUST SEE MOVIE!!!!
For all of you out there who truly care about the future of America I strongly suggest that you take the time to go and see this movie before you vote in the election this year. It will be shown in Elk Grove and Roseville beginning on August 17th. Think you know Obama....if so perhaps you too should go and see this movie!!
The Obama campaign and the White House have been trying to shut it down! What about that !st ammendment Myrna? Makes one wonder why. The producer of Shindler's List produced this movie....it is not a right wing fantasy, it is the truth about the man with his own spoken words. Based on the book by best selling author Ganesh DeSouza.
Click on the link I have provided and you can get the details.
Do you really think that anyone other than an already hard committed "true believer" is going to see your movie? One can get all they want of that stuff on FOX.
NY Times best seller author, Dinesh D'Souza, produced by Gerald R. Molen, Shindler's list producer. Sorry for the mistake in spelling.
Tried to edit the post but the feature did not work.
What do you have to be afraid of? Most people watched Fahrenheit 911, "W" and a few other propaganda pieces. I'll admit I did so without much of an open mind, but I did watch them to try and understand others points of view.
This is regarding Mr. Mobley's statement about President Obama being a "dictator" due to his use of executive orders. According to the Federal Register of the National Archives, George W. Bush signed 291 Executive Orders while President Obama has signed 132 to date. Please check your facts before writing disparaging remarks about anyone. We all are entitled to our opinion - but please back them with facts --- not hearsay and innuendo.
I'm certainly entitled to my opinion, aren't I? I don't recall comparing Bush to Obama. It appears you're disparaging me for something I've not done. Did you consider I might have believed Bush to be a dictator too, when he acted in kind? The difference here is Bush is not running for office, Obama is. Why even bring Bush into this discussion? FYI, I did not purposefully mistate any facts and offered an immediate correction for a "misunderstanding". I stand by every word I've carefully posted.
I really don't want to engage in a spitting match, I'm just trying to provide some historical, factual perspective to your comment: " I must point out that I believe your president has, in fact, acted as a dictator lately. Signing executive orders when he can't get either his party, or the republicans to pass what he desires."
The following is from the Federal Register:
Barack Obama - 132 EO's to date
George W. Bush - 291 EO's
William Clinton - 364 EO's
George Bush - 166 EO's
Ronald Reagan - 381 EO's
just saying......
Al makes my point!
The liberals don't want to think and are proud to say so! Al just proved it! They have an ideology of taking from the working class and giving government the power to distribute it as they see fit. Venezuela style!
After all, "you can get all of that 'stuff' you want on Fox"!
When Bush runs a $4 trillion dollar deficit and they're screaming from high heaven, then Obama quadruples it and they are silent... PLEASSSSSE.
The silence is deafening!!!
They're sold out to Obama and don't want to hear any facts that might cause them to realize what kind of person he really is because it doesn't matter to them. He is doing exactly what they want him to do!
Hey Al what does Axlerod, Valerie Jerret and Obama all have in common? Hows about career and family connections to a man named Frank Marshall Davis. You might remember Frank, a friend of Obamas grandparents in Obamas book, Dreams of my father. Seems Frank spent his entire life fighting to fundamentally change America into a communist state.
I know its all a conspiracy theory right? But isnt it odd that Obama, his family, his top advisors families, and oh yes Bill Ayers the admitted bomber for the weather underground all had chicago ties to Frank Marshall Davis and his cause??? Oh and if you missed it because MSNBC didnt report it, Ayers did more than host Obamas campaign party at his house, obtaining grants for him worth millions.
I know you wont bother to do it, but have some fun and google Frank Marshall Davis Obama and see what you come up with. Get a little background on his ideology, and vision for America.
You would think that "Progressives for Truth" would want to go to see 2016 if they really wanted to explore the truth! My guess is that they would watch any Michael Moore film. So why not watch a film by a renowned producer?
Hardcore lefties will vote for Obama period. Perhaps some of the independent and misguided conservatives who voted for Mr. Obama will wake up from their nap.
On another note, it's only a matter of time before Mr. Obama dumps Joe Biden and brings in Hillary Clinton. Wait and we will see. It would be hard to believe that even Mrs. Clinton would agree with many of Mr. Obamas plans for America, but who knows.
The mention of D'Souza's movie inspired me to google him and learn something about him. He's definitely a conservative idealogue:
nymag.com/news/features/kings-college-2011-8/
The linked article mentions two of his bestsellers (quoted from the article):
"In his 2007 book The Enemy at Home, he argued that “the cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11.” The New York Times called the book “a nasty stewpot of intellectually untenable premises … that frequently reads like a Saturday Night Live parody of the crackpot right."
"...2010 book, The Roots of Obama’s Rage, which was, like many of D’Souza’s books, both a New York Times best seller and a piñata for critics of all political stripes. Even the conservative Weekly Standard lamented the book’s “misstatements of fact, leaps in logic, and pointlessly elaborate argumentation.”
Those comments don't inspire me to see the movie...
There was never any doubt the director was a right-winger. Try watching it and then picking it apart, like everyone did to Mike Moore's left-wing propaganda "documentories". See how many half-truths you can find in it. It'll make you a hero to your fellow left leaners. What are you afraid of? The truth about your guy?
Well Mr. Mobley, I don't know you and you don't know anything about me, so I fail to see how in the course of what should be a civil discussion you immediately pull the trigger and call me a "fellow left leaner". The only purpose of my post was to promote some actual fact-finding rather than rather unsubstantiated claims. I made no personal comments about any poster, and took no position on the issue other than to point out that there are other opinions on D'Souza and his work.
Dave, I don't give a rats behind about anything the NY Times has to say. There's not one person in America who can argue that the NY Times, LA Times, Miami Herald, Chicago Sun Tribune and the Washington comPost are nothing more than leftist propaganda. I agree with Steve, you all worship Michael Moore and his stuff but lack the courage to check out an opposing viewpoint.
Perhaps all you Obama lovers should read his two wonderful books! Maybe then you will understand why free Americans fear his vision and leadership. Will you then say it is fabricated propaganda?
Whether anyone watches the movie or not in CA doesn't really matter since it is a forgone conclusion CA will go for Obama.
I find it interesting the right spends so much time trying to convince Americans Obama is not one of us or a real American. A real American is one who is a citizen of the USA. That is it - no further test required. Obama fulfills fully the requirements to be President as he was born in Hawaii.
Those of you who want so badly for everyone to watch the movie may find it interesting that D'Souza rejects the birther BS that 65% (unbelievable disconnect with the real world) of GOP respondents believe in. Does that mean you GOP birther types will believe D'Sousa when he says Obama is a natural born citizen born in the United States or will you go through tortuous machinations to convince us all how D'Souza is right on everything but your birther conspiracies?
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/poll-most-republic...
I may watch the movie when it comes out on Netflix and turn it into a drinking game.
For the record, the referenced link was to the New York Magazine, not the NY Times website.
Thanks for the clarity.
This weeks DNC talking point word against Ryan coincidentally is Ideologue. Just curious why if one has a passion towards conservatism he is labled an ideologue (defined as blindly partison, impractical theorist), and on the other hand when your a socialist liberal such as Obama you are called an invisionary, progressive or evolving???
Good point. I don't know enough about D'Souza to say that he is one and withdraw the descriptive word in my earlier post.
Dave,
You;re correct, I don't know you and you don't know me. If you're easily offended, perhaps you shouldn't be posting to what can only be described as a political thread. I didn't mean to offend you, but your post certainly leads one to believe your politics sway more left than right. Why else would you only chose the two opinions from what is defined as a left leaning magazine / publication? I'm 100% positive you can find reviews that are 180 degrees from them. I didn't consider "fellow left-leaners" to be derogatory in any way. I consider myself a "right-winger" and can easily live with folks considering me as such. I'm glad you're at least willing to watch the movie, even if only to make an enjoyable "drinking' event out of it. As I said earlier, I watched all of Moore's propaganda films in much the same manner. Cheers!
Steve
Mac,
You're right, by definition Obummer is an American. Unfortunately, so too can be the U.S soil born son, or daughter, of a Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro or Vladimir Putin. By present definition, that is entirely possible. "American" to the rest of us is an ideal, a way of life. It's rugged individualism, productivity, freedom from government intrusion and freedom to succeed. That doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. It's only possible here, in the U.S.A. Your "American" president, and his democratic party, is trying to change that. That's what this is truly all about. The "birther" challenge sems to be far fetched, but is a possiblility only because of the reluctance of your president to publicly allow its release. This president's idea of what is America is contrary to the ideas this country was founded on. He's trying to do what he said he would do and that is to "fundamentally change America". Working people, and most successful people, do not want that. In a nut shell, we want your "American" president gone. Retired, so to speak.
California, due to a huge democratic population in San Fancisco and Los Angelos, along with a massive population of pets, felons and deceased, will always have its electoral votes go to the democrat on the ballot. We've had Chicago style vote counting since the '60s.
Romney 2012
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This debate will happen if the Lungren and Bera compaigns agree to a date and format that works for BOTH of them.
Myrna Solomon