Progressive Americans to meet Sept. 12
Progressive Americans For Truth
MEETING SEPTEMBER 12
Another meeting coming up for the Progressive Americans For Truth: Wed at 7:45 on Sept 12 at the RMA bldg. Hope you all saw our half-page ad in the River Vallery Times on Aug. 26. Factual information on Lungren and Romney views on the Affordable Care Act. A despicable email is making the the rounds from a "Judge David Kithil of Marble Falls, TX" citing complete falsehoods regarding the ACA. This is only a continuation of the lies being promulgated by the "Way out wacko right." Always check what you get on Politifact. Only 55 days from our meeting till election day. This election is so vital to the continuing progress of open and thoughtful discourse on the future of our country. The Supreme Court hangs in the balance. The importance of keeping government out of our personal lives. We have had 29 months of improving economic health (albeit rather slowly.) We must continue to move forward. Please come and hear the truth.- Login or register to post comments
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I have read a half dozen books on Obama and another half dozen, or so, on Hillary Clinton , plus a few on the Supreme Court. I'm only missing "Rules for Radicals", otherwise I have the complete roadmap of what the left has been trying to do to our country for the past 50 years. Obama and company have been following it. It isn't pretty and is un-American, to say the least, and is a form of Euro-socialism at best. The slope has been gradual, until Obama was hoisted into office by those duped to believe in his "Hope and Change" nonsense. Now they're trying for a huge breakthrough because they believe it's their only chance for at least another generation. Aren't we lucky?
I suggest all those on the left at least educate themselves about their candidate before voting and potentially subjecting their fellow countrymen to the eventual servitude their party has planned for us. Watch the movie "2016". If not for yourself, then do it for your children, and your country. Elections have consequences. This isn't a "game", you're not on a "team", this is real life and people will be affected by this decision for years to come.
Let's undo this last four years of economic disaster, Czars, deceitfulness, corruption and arrogance. Let's put the adults back in charge.
Romney / Ryan 2012
the right wing are totally lost in fantasy-land, ginning up imaginary demons, vast global conspiracies and George Soros in a time machine traveling back to plant false birth announcements in the Honoilolu newspapers.
But if you're sure you're going to win, you can make a killing at intrade, where The President's shares are pricey at $6.13 (pays 10) while Romney is going at the bargain basement discount price of $3.87. Surely with that sweet spread and all your Mavericky certitude you're a fool if you don't take a grand's worth of shares, to put your money where your incessant bloviation is.
But I sure hope none of you go postal when the voters again reject your radical fantasies and doctrine of selfishness..
Let's not forget that Wilber is a retired state employee/lawyer and of course Pamela was or is in nursing. Does not make either of them bad or good just tells you most of what you need to know about where they are coming from with their opinions and political preferences.
Wilber, I don't make bets but you libs are all going to be shocked when Mr. Obama is not re-elected. Perhpas that's why Obama has 35,000 lawyers deployed around the country to dispute election results!!! I talk to far more people every day in the working world than you do (you're retired) and I can tell you that all of the independents and republicans that I know who made the mistake of voting for Obama say that they will not repeat that mistake again. Not to mention a bunch of democrats as well. Oh yeah, if you want to pay more in taxes for social programs write a check. I'm pretty sure I know better what to do with my money than you democrats!!
I don't know what your beef is with Romney but I'd be happy to bet you that I can come up with a far larger list of my beefs with the "chosen one". And you talk about fantasy. Rich indeed. I'd be willing to bet that you despise "rich" people
Enjoy those publically funded retirement checks. Those of us who have been in business, employing workers, contributing to private emloyment for society do not have that luxury.....
Well said John
Typical, John, that you would go the personal attack route, as if being a public servant or a lawyer or a nurse was something to apologize for.
And how gallant of you to drag my wife into your beef with me, you big macho man, you.
Since you're so sure of your little Walter Mitty revolution's success, you'll spot me five points on a hundred dollar bet, right?
Folks, we posted the following on Aug. 31, after an outbreak of personal nastiness about political issues. We mean what we say: Be respectful to each other in your posts. We don't want to bar anyone from the site, but we will if your behavior forces us to.
People aren’t kidding when they talk about the coarseness of the political dialogue these days.
In recent weeks, in private messages, emails and phone calls, we’ve fielded complaints from RM.com readers on all sides about the tenor of some comments in the election threads. And they’re right -- some of the comments have been snide and insulting about the opinions of others.
To be clear, the problem isn’t disagreement about issues; it’s about being snotty and disrespectful to a neighbor who has a different opinion. The disrespectful posters manage to color the experience for everyone who’s reading.
So here’s a request: Cut it out or take it somewhere else. If you can’t be civil, your posts aren’t welcome here.
To help address this, we’ve created a new Forums area for the 2012 elections. Now for those who don’t want to be part of the exchange of political ideas, it will be easier to sidestep it.
To the people who’ve made their political points respectfully -- they show it can be done -- and who’ve resisted being goaded by others, thank you. It’s a long way to November. Let’s try to get there together, as neighbors and Americans.
Aw common, Wil, you really believe in this Progressive stuff.? You're more intelligent than that, and I suspect in you're retired boredom, you're just using your skills, albeit very good in that public defender role, to entertain as a provocuteur. Why not tell us what you really think, rather than the defensive role for entertainment? What I think is you might want to put some distance between your intelligence and this Obama charade.
U.S. Ambassador to Libya killed. U.S. Administration, on 9/11 apoligizies. What do you think?
I bet the president has more "inside info" than what has been presented in the press.
Thanks Terry. I have to surmise that pointing out simple facts is somehow a personal attack. After reading comments here it appears to me that the only real personal attacks come from "progressives". The political idols they worship are some of the best personal attack dogs in the world. Hypocritical is the only word I can come up with. Seems progressives have the same thickness of skin as their masterful leader. A couple of millimeters at best.
The US Embassy in Egypt disavowed the amatuerish movie (watch the trailer on youtube), which was made by an American real-estate developer and mocks Muhammad. I can't find any "apology" on line -- can you provide a reference that gives the actual language of the State Department's statement that does so?
President Obama has condemmed the murders in the strongest terms. The libyan Government has done the same. I expect that there will be a serious effort to find and punish the attackers. If Romney were in the President's place, what do you think he would do differently?
I went on line this morning to read about what happened to cause some of the Libyan people to storm the Ambassy and kill the Ambassador and others...Terry Jones who claims to be a pastor of a "church" in Florida had produced an inflamatory film that really disrespects Muslims and insults Mulhammad...He is the same lunatic that burned Korans and caused huge anger in the Muslim world. before..Let me be clear, I am not excusing what people did in Libya, but this is what caused the anger... In NO way did President Obama or Hillary Clinton "apologise" for the break-in of the Ambassy and murder of our Ambassador and some staff. For Romney to slam the President before he had time to speak to the country about this for political purposes, and then say things that aren't even true is shameful....T. Hanson, if you spread falsehoods, shame on you as well.....
I went on line this morning to read about what happened to cause some of the Libyan people to storm the Ambassy and kill the Ambassador and others...Terry Jones who claims to be a pastor of a "church" in Florida had produced an inflamatory film that really disrespects Muslims and insults Mulhammad...He is the same lunatic that burned Korans and caused huge anger in the Muslim world. before..Let me be clear, I am not excusing what people did in Libya, but this is what caused the anger... In NO way did President Obama or Hillary Clinton "apologise" for the break-in of the Ambassy and murder of our Ambassador and some staff. For Romney to slam the President before he had time to speak to the country about this for political purposes, and then say things that aren't even true is shameful....T. Hanson, if you spread falsehoods, shame on you as well.....
To quote you " just tells you most of what you need to know about where they are coming from with their opinions and political preferences." You are infering that you can judge someone's political opinion from their careers? That is NOT fact. That is pure supposition on your part.
Enjoy those roads built via government programs and employees. Appreciate that you can turn on your faucet and receive clean water. Applaud the fact that you can flush your toilet and your troubles go away. Breathe deeply of air that is not as harmful as years ago (in LA couldnt' see across the street!) and thank a government worker. I appreciate private enterprise and hope your business turns the corner.
We all serve a purpose in this world and we do need one another to get by. We make different choices regarding our careers and get different rewards. Let's start taking the high road in our discourse with one another.
http://egypt.usembassy.gov/pr091112.html
This has nothing to do with a pastor. Do you think it could have anything to do with someone bragging about killing OBL? It was September 11th. It is being linked to al-Qaida.
If you would like to read more
http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordi...
In Cairo they were shouting " Obama Obama there's a billion Osamas". Could it be that Obama and Biden last week trumpeting Obama's major accomplishments, General Motors and killing Osama. Constantly spiking the football about killing Osama!!!!! One of the Islamist leaders! Wake up folks.
The statement is a condemnation of religious intolerance, and it was made well before the tragedy in Libya.
The following link goes through the entire timeline from the first breaching of the embassey wall in Egypt through the latest political statements, including Romney's pathetic attempt to turn the Libya deaths into a campaign issue:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12/romneys-political-pretze...
The embassy situations in the middle east go far beyond a simple protest against an offensive movie. Most protests dont include people with rocket propelled grenades. This happened on 9-11. The brother of the top Al Queda was seen at the Egyptian Embassy. Alqueda had called for retaliation for our elliminating their second in command. And now the Muslim brotherhood which now runs Egypt and has ties to Hamas and denounces Isreal is calling for a million man demonstration this weekend in Egypt. Meanwhile Obama refuses to meet with the Prime Minister of Isreal, but still met with the Muslim brotherhood at the White House as if they are allies and offers 1.4 billion in aid to their military.
This was not some spontanious demonstration. Perhaps if we had an administration that saw radical Islam, emphasis on radical, as a threat to all free nations instead of something to embrace as a harmless religion our nation would be much safer. Until we have leadership that bases its foreign policy on the fact that these groups want to elliminate every other religion in the world and not coexist in harmony with other religions we will continue to apoligize to people that want us gone. Something tells me the President is going to miss his golf game this week.
HERE is the statement, issued not by the White House but by an employee at the beseiged embassy tryinbg to chill out the crowd.
Please tell me where in these words an "apology" is to be found.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
It's really sad to see the once proud GOP led around to a bunch of lying paranoids.
Haven't heard back from you on that $100 bet. Still thinking it over? After all, you can't lose, right? Surely ALL the pollsters are wrong and you're right, and Romney-Gekko will sweep by ten. Right?
So what do you say?
In a world where the bad guys fly airplanes into our buildings to make their point, I for one appreciate a bit of paranoid. Applying due diligence to real threats is what a true leader should do. The statement made by the Embassy in Egypt which is part of the State Department /executive branch/Secretary of State and the Presidents administration showed complete weakness in basically saying we're sorry if we hurt your religious feelings, we dont agree with what this American did either. To believe that public statements were made without the knowledge of the state dept at a time when the walls of an embassy were being breached and when violence was being anticipated is naive but in this administration plausible. By the way a difference in opinion is not always an attempt to lie. To believe so could be labeled being paranoid.
An increase in support from women as well as independents gives Barack Obama a post-convention advantage over challenger Mitt Romney. The president receives a five percentage-point bounce among women and a 12-point bounce among independents, in a Fox News poll released Wednesday.
Overall, the Obama-Biden ticket tops the Romney-Ryan ticket by 48 to 43 percent among likely voters.
Thank you, Wilbur, for validating Fox News Polls. I'm not certain the The Progressive People For Truth would support them.
Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows President Obama attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns 45% of the vote. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
The president received a modest convention bounce, but that's now gone. On the day the conventions began, Obama was up by two points. Now the numbers are essentially back to that starting point with the president leading by a point. See daily tracking history.
When “leaners” are included, it’s Romney 48% and Obama 47%. Leaners are those who initially indicate no preference for either candidate but express a preference for one of them in a follow-up question.
MORE AT:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_v...
But if you find it comforting that he tells you what you want to hear, his work is done.
Of the 8 Polls used by RCP as their average half of them, four, are aged 3 days or more. Rasmussen is the only "rolling" poll, taken on a daily basis, using a 3-day average.
Gallup uses a 7-day rolling poll but a lot can happen in 7 days. Gallup also polls self described "Registered" Voters vs. Rasmussen's "Likely" Voters. I'm not certain someone who describes themselves as a "Registered" Voter can be counted on to vote whereas a "Likely" voter is, well, likely to vote.
In other words the Rassmussen Poll "moves" much more than even Gallup.
Interesting to note that Governor Romney has climbed 2 points since yesterday and now is favored over President Obama by +1.
The events of the last 48 hours may have a bearing on that movement.
Wilbur, I find "comfort" in Realville.
OK, here's Pollster's collection of 411 polls
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-general-election-romney-vs-obama#!showpoints=no
But they're ALL wrong and Scott Rasmussen is right. Even your beloved Fox News, who have the President by five, are wrong.
And I am the Walrus. Goo-goo-ga-joob. 
How many points will you spot me on a hundred dollar bet, Ranch?
http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_...
If he's doing such a great job, why isn't President Obama furthur ahead in the polls?
Look Stephen, no point in trying to reason with people who can't be reasoned with! You could run Jesus Christ himself against Obama and they would still idolize and love him as well as, of course, vote for him. This Arab spring thing is not going to work out well for us because of Mr. Obama and his foreign policy. I'm sorry I forgot, he really doesn't have one.
Most people in this country who are on government pensions or living on the government dole, which of course is over 50 percent, are going to vote democrat no matter what so winning as conservatives has become more difficult. At least in this state! Why would these people vote to get less for free? (I'm not talking about pensions Wilbur so don't get riled up.)
And let's not forget that over 52 percent of working Americans pay zero in Federal income tax. Don't supose they'd vote conservative either. We should be thankful for the polls because the lazy who voted for Obama last time won't show up to vote because they will figure he has it in the bag.
Non the less I am certain that there are enough voters who will vote their pocketbook and sway this election.
About that bet, John?
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Interesting that you say the way wacko right. I'll bet that you will not even agree that there are moderate republicans and moderate democrats.
There are always versions of "the truth". I think I'll join some of my wacko right colleagues and visit your little truth meeting. It would be very interesting to see "your" version. What I find so amazing is all the lies told by the left that are bold faced and you all believe them.
BTW, I don't believe that all democrats are liberal crackpots but it seems that you believe all republicans are. Going to be great when the Reagan democrats vote for Romney. Even moderate democrats will vote their pocketbook!
John Hein