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John Friedrich's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 18
Now is the time to join the country club

     The Rancho Murieta Country Club has a special program going to attract new members but it only lasts until the end of this month.  If you are currently not a member, I strongly encourage you to consider joining the 'club'.  There are a lot of exciting programs and events taking place, and the current board of directors has really tried to find ways to make the club more attractive and pertinent to community members.  Besides the two golf courses (which are in excellent condition for midsummer) there have been so many other activities going on the past few months, including dance, yoga, paint nights, girls night out, beer and wine tastings, special dinners, kids activities, and music on the patio to name a few.  The club has made it a goal to become again the focal point of the community.  It should be the jewel, OUR jewel. 

     We all know Rancho Murieta is a special place which is why many of us commute 30 miles or more into town to return to our paradise, but the club is a vital part of our community.  Sadly, only about 40 percent of our RM population are members (either golf or social), though its existence is a benefit to everyone in the community (especially in terms of home values).  A successful, vibrant country club makes our whole community much more attractive.  I really think the club wants to be something special for everyone.  I've been a member for 17 years now, but I sense a different vibe this year.  The club is reaching out for new ideas to make it 'the place people want  to be'.  The incentives right now to join have never been better and they are even offering a preview period with no immediate initiation fees.  More importantly, they are listening to new ideas on how to make it more valuable to its members.  They care about member satisfaction and want you to feel you are utilizing your membership (i.e. getting your money's worth).

     If you have ever thought about joining the club, now is the time.  The incentive package has never been better, especially for younger families and indivduals.  If you are not a member, what is keeping you from doing so?  Even if you do not play golf, there is so much going on (and much more slated to happen) you'll want to be a part of it.  Your investment is into your own community so everyone benefits.  If you feel the club has nothing to offer you, what would/could it offer that might make you change your mind?  They are listening, and trying to make things happen.  The incentive program ends on July 31.  What are you waiting for?

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Betsy Guzzetta's picture
Joined: 10/09/2007
Posts: 119
Posted this on July 7 under a

Posted this on July 7 under a different thread but here's why we won't be joining:

Saw the new package offered by RMCC and emailed every board member.  Noted that now we had the time and money to belong I wasn’t going join when we would pay more than $5,000 in the first year than the younger tier.  I get the wanting to recruit younger folks but $5,000??  Never got a response from any board member.  Also included some suggestions but ...  so done with RMCC.  Thinking they have a different agenda.

Betsy Guzzetta

John Friedrich's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 18
Younger tier

Hi Betsy, 

      Thanks for your reply.  I'm hoping others do the same. 

So, correct me if I am wrong, your decision to not join the club is because you feel it is unfair that younger candidates have a better incentive package than older candidates?  You might be surprised to know there are very few Jr. Exec members (only 15 out of 500).  The reasoning behind that is they are hoping these young folks can be long term members for 30 plus years.  Giving them an initial fee break makes the membership more affordable as they are progressing through careers, having children, buying first houses, etc.  They then grow up with the country club being important to them and continue to be members for a long time.  

I'm not sure what your other suggestions were (feel free to post if you like) and I'm sorry board members did not get back to you.  That has not been my experience as most are quick to reply.  Thanks again for your comments.

John Friedrich

Beth Buderus's picture
Joined: 08/03/2007
Posts: 877
Club pricing

To continue the conversation, and I'm not retired....I've read your comments as to why a younger person should have to pay less.  But what about people who have now retired.  A higher price may be out of their price range due to their retirement and being on social security.  Golf may not be their priority...as well as golf may not be a younger person's priority either with young kids, school, sports and household expenses.

John Friedrich's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 18
Priorities

Thanks for your reply, Beth.  And I think you've identified the driving force behind it:  priority.  I would not expect someone to be a golf member if playing golf was not a priority, young or retired. If you only have time or can make time to play once or twice a month, it makes no sense.  But a person can still be a social member of the club and enjoy all of the non-golf events at the club.  Keeping members active in their membership is a priority of the club, and , in turn, we want members to view the club as an important part of their lifestyle.  I think there is enough going on at the club (non golf related) to make a social member value their membership.  If there is something else you feel they should offer, they are listening and exploring ways to make it happen.  My hope is that the club becomes a community priority, both in seeing it be successful and in providing us with so many special events and activities.  It only makes our community a more special place.

John Friedrich

Betsy Guzzetta's picture
Joined: 10/09/2007
Posts: 119
Okay so....as I said I get

Okay so....as I said I get that they want younger folks to join but...the reality is that younger folks have many competing priorities such as work, soccer, baseball, basketball, lacrosse, school events, etc.  You may want to read this  https://golf2020.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/millennial_report_ngf.pdf

I can see some discounting but $5,000 more for us than younger folks in the first year?  That's a bit much. 

My biggest suggestion was that they could have a sport/social membership (which they used to offer) for folks to play Monday through Friday.  That would leave the weekend open for the younger folks who often work during the week and are busy with kids.. But since I never heard back from even one board member - guess they didn't like that idea.

Social membership is fine.  We've done it once or twice but found we were paying $150+ a month for the privilege of a few meals.

Overall I do wish them well  - given the current offerings we will pass.  It does not help that I received NO response to my email.  Hope it works out for you and all the other members.

 

Betsy Guzzetta

John Friedrich's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 18
Great article

Thanks Betsy.  What a great article (albeit very long) about golf with the new generations.  I will be sure to share with board members.

i see your point about the price difference (it is very significant) although I could counter the incentive program saves you over $3500 for the first year over a regular golf candidate and there are others who have paid far more for their initiation fees when there wasn't a special program (we paid 15000 way back in 2001 and there was no jr exec program for us). I'm guessing the difference was not a deal breaker, but perhaps the lack of a sport/social was.  That membership category is being phased out. I can speculate as to a number of reasons why but it would be better for someone from club management or a board member to comment (maybe their no response was the deal breaker).

i think a social membership can be so much more than a few dinners but it does require taking advantage of more of the programs offered.  And the club is expanding the programs offered to try and meet more needs and wants.

Thanks again for all the comments and feedback and I hope someday soon I'll see you at the club in the 19th hole.

John Friedrich

John Brock's picture
Joined: 03/20/2010
Posts: 14
Now is the time to join

John, very positive spin on the reasons to join the Club. We do need the support of the entire community and we do have two beautiful courses. When we moved to Northern California in 2000 we only looked at locations with golf courses and Rancho Murieta had the best value. I like all of the recent splurge of new activities for members, especially the use of the Terrace Lounge.

Nancy Clark's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 110
Why I'm Joining the Country Club

I have enjoyed hanging out at the 19th Hole as a guest of friends for some time.  It was a treat; I felt like I was part of something special.  But I always wondered what other events I was missing because I wasn’t a member.   Being a guest at a recent event really drove this home – great music on the patio, dancing, a great vibe, seeing my friends and neighbors, craft beers, and all within our gates.   I learned that this was just one of several fun events on the horizon.

After that event I gave serious thought to becoming a member, weighing many things before making a final decision.  Most significant wasn’t all the fun I knew I’d have, or the attractive membership incentives being offered, it was the undeniable fact that our property values are bolstered by the existence of our Golf Courses and Country Club.  And the money invested in becoming a member was very small when compared to the financial loss I could suffer if our Golf Courses/Club were no longer in existence.  We all know that to remain, our Club needs more members.  And for me, joining now just made sense.

John Friedrich's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 18
Big picture

Thanks, Nancy, for sharing your comments.  You have great insight into the big picture, that the club is an integral part of the community and needs our support to maintain and thrive.  I hope you are able to enjoy your membership to its fullest extent and hope to see you at one of the many upcoming events.

John Friedrich

Britt Forman's picture
Joined: 04/24/2009
Posts: 44
Club Membership

We used to be golf members but began to travel 5 or 6 months per year and still do so we couldn't justify being a member any longer. But we would consider becoming social members under the right conditions and would like to make a few suggestions:  maybe there should be 2 social memberships. One for those who would like to enjoy the social events and dining etc. and one that would include those things and also include tennis.  The esecond option could be the same as it is now (as I understand it), $100.00 per month and $50.00 minimum per month The first option would have no monthly dues but would have a larger minimum per month, $100.00 to $150.00 per month. It would also be nice to use that minimum on merchandise and not just food and also be able to carry that minimum over 2 or 3 months for those Murietans that travel. 

R.M. has a diverse residential population and the club should have more options so everyone can be included and welcome. One size doesn't fit everyone's needs. 

Ok, just a suggestion. 

Tks.

John Friedrich's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 18
Creative Suggestion

Thanks for your comments, Britt.  Your kind of creative thinking is exactly what the club is trying to explore.  Though I have not heard any discussion about different levels of social membership, it could be an avenue worth pursuing if there was a significant audience it would apply to.  I can see your suggestion coming into play if a fitness center and/or pool were also involved.  I can tell you that club minimums are quarterly now, not monthly, and I believe merchandise is credited toward your minimum as well.  Working around travelers is always a challenge.  Many of us have months where we are gone or unable to play for various reasons.  Not sure if it's logistically possible to accommodate so many schedules. 

Hope you consider rejoining as a social member and thanks again for your comments. 

John Friedrich

Britt Forman's picture
Joined: 04/24/2009
Posts: 44
RE: My comments on 7/14/2018

Ok, looks like you missed my whole point. 

Let's keep it simple.  Instead of only 2 types of memberships, let's have 3. 

1.  Golf membership:  keep it just as it is, fees, rules etc.

2.  Tennis membership:  fees, rules etc. to remain just as they are now for the current "social membership".

3.  Social membership:  this "new" Social Membership would be for those people who only want to partake of the social aspects of the club such as restaurants, events etc.  There would be no monthly dues, only a monthly minimum spenditure would be required. I think somewhere around $125 to $150 would be acceptable to most people. This would possibly bring in a lot of new members as I keep hearing a lot of people say they don't like paying a monthly fee for the privilege of eating in the club. Who knows some may become golf members in the future after this introduction to the club. 

Thanks John for your efforts, I really would like to see the club succeed.

 

John Hein's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 326
Membership

I think in general the non member community is missing two things, and missing them badly!

#1 Waste water. Even some club members I've spoken to about this issue don't know or forgot. We have "our own" sewage treatment plant. Our waste water is given to the CC as a means of disposal. There is no other place for it to go. No CC? What to do? A MAJOR issue!

#2 Home values. Yes, I hear those who mistakenly believe the CC has no impact on their home value. I'm no expert but I believe we would all see a significant drop in value and salability or our homes. Do you live on the golf course? If you do and you like your view imagine nothing but weeds and a dead course. Take a look at what happened to the homes around Rocklin Golf Club (Sunset Whitney). It's not a pretty picture. The two things mentioned above happened there.

I would like to see a clubhouse membership, at minimal monthly expense for those non members who would like to use the "clubhouse" facilities only. We can only explore new ideas after the current promotion ends in two weeks. Hopefully the BOD will listen to those of us on the membership committee. There are many good ideas sprouting.

 

John Hein

John Kershaw's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 27
Excess recycled water is

Excess recycled water is presently being sprayed on Van Vleck land and if need be additional land could be purchase (Eminent Domain?) by the CSD if the CC closes.

John Kershaw

Bunky Svendsen's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 132
RMCC survival

John. Dream on...and keep hanging on to your old ideas of what you wish the club should be, in your eyes. But until someone with REALLY deep pockets shows up, and makes the club attractive (pool, gym, and community center) to new members, the CC wil continue to die a slow death. Unfortunate but true.

John Hein's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 326
Hey Powell and John

Guess you two are some of those who feel your home value won't go down. I have two words for you to quote Bunky, "dream on"! Slow death of the CC is the slow death of your home value

 

John Hein

John Kershaw's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 27
John, all I said was that

John, all I said was that there were options with the recycled water if the CC closes. Also note that I also agree that our property values would be affected if the club closes but not to the extreme as you state. 

John Kershaw

Britt Forman's picture
Joined: 04/24/2009
Posts: 44
Membership comment #3

Ok are we just going to talk or is someone going to submit these suggestions to the board?

I think my suggestion for a “new” Social membership is a good one.

Please does anyone have a comment don’t get off point by giving me all this other retoric. You will never scare people into joining the club. You must give them something for their money. 

Tks

John Friedrich's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 18
Country Club membership

Thanks for all the posts, folks.  It is good to keep this dialogue alive so that ideas can be shared.   

To Mr. Hein and Mr. Merchant:  We all know the water has to go somewhere.  The golf course is a logical win-win for everyone.  To my knowledge (and please correct me if I am wrong), the club pays for a lot of the equipment for this process to take place.  CSD may have to consider contributing a larger share.  That is a cost that will likely affect all of us through our monthly bill.  My belief is that the club has put that off trying to be a good neighbor, but may be reaching the point where that extra revenue is needed.  I think that is the point Mr. Hein is making. 

As far as home values dropping, that is obvious speculation, but expecting home values to drop 10% or more should the club disolve seems reasonable.  Doing a little math, a 400K house would drop 40K, which is the equivalent of 33.3 years of dues as a social member.  I agree scare tactics are not going to work, but giving everyone a sense of scale is important.

To Bunky:  I suppose you could be right, that I am nothing more than a dreamer.  But things don't get done by saying they can't happen.  They get done because enough people believe it is important.  This club was sustainable and successful for many years, and most of us still believe it has a lot to offer.  I think the rumors of pending sale and later bankruptcy have made many hesitant to join.  We need to break that trend and stop those rumors.  While a deep pockets investor would be the simplest of all solutions, it is certainly not the only one.  I've seen neighborhoods all over the country get behind a cause to improve their community.  The country club should be OUR cause.  It's survival and success should be important to all of us who live in RM, not just the 40% who are are currently members.  If everyone is invested then a lot of those amenities you mentioned (pool, gym, meeting areas) will happen.  I'm not in the habit of quitting on dreams, especially if they make our community so much better.  

Finally, to Mr. Forman:  Please note that John Hein and I are on the Membership committee at the club and your ideas will certainly be shared.  I know the idea of a 'restaurant and event' membership has been discussed.  Something to note that many at the club may not know:  Part of the monthly dues collected in membership is to subsidize food and beverage.  Nearly every club in the country operates at a loss in terms of food and beverage, some as much as 25% in the red.  That is why some of the food and drink costs at the club are so low.  Good luck finding a restaurant with an accomplished chef with entrees less than what we pay here.  I believe a 'free' membership with a monthly minimum would actually cost the club more money, unless they raised their food costs to make a profit.  And I imagine more than a few social members would downgrade to the free monthly membership.  That being said, perhaps there lies something in between that might entice future members.  It certainly seems to reason that if more social members joined, the monthly dues could be reduced.  Right now we have about 500 social members paying $100 a month.  Perhaps our next membership drive should be to increase our membership to 750 but reduce our dues to $75.  Call it "Everybody wins".  

I like the thoughts folks.  Keep em' coming.  

John Friedrich

Bunky Svendsen's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 132
stop the groveling

OMG! Quit the groveling! Build something that the community would like to a part of and they will come. Where are the movers and shakers to get it done?

John Kershaw's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 27
John

John, did you mean John Kershaw instead of John Merchant? Too many Johns

John Kershaw

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