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Ron Mancuso's picture
Joined: 08/31/2007
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Ball marks on greens

Hello Members,

Let me first say that I am a member of 8 years who plays golf maybe once a week at best. The problem I have is every time I play, I find myself fixing at least 3 to 5 ball marks per green. Why is this? Apparently, there people who belong to the club who feel they do not need to fix their ball marks.

This is OUR COUNTRY CLUB. This is not a muni course where you show up, play your round and go away. We need to have some pride in our club. You should leave the course in better shape than you found it.

It’s very simple and it is common courtesy for your fellow members who play behind you…fill your divots, rake the traps and repair your ball marks. Again, leave the course in better shape than you found it. If we all make a concerted effort, we will have two wonderful courses.


Ron Mancuso


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Jack Tavolario's picture
Joined: 11/07/2007
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Ron, On any golf course


On any golf course you’ve ever played, have you ever, other than being in one of the 1st few groups of the day, not been able to find at least a few ball marks on any green, a few divots that hadn’t been filled, or a couple of traps that hadn’t been raked very well?

Robert Denham's picture
Joined: 10/01/2007
Posts: 78
Ball Marks

Jack, you are not a member of the Country Club and I don't get your point.  Ron's comment was addressed to members and was very accurate. You might expect and do find these conditions at public muni courses, but it is not the expected conditions at a private country club.  Our members and guests need to be reminded of this fact on occasion.  Yesterday, I probably lost a match because some thoughtless individual failed to properly rake a bunker and made a reasonable shot virtually impossible.  These are our courses and should be treated with the same respect that one would treat their own property, 

Jack Tavolario's picture
Joined: 11/07/2007
Posts: 64
Ball Marks

Robert, what’s the significance if I’m a member of the club or not? This medium we’re using is called the World Wide Web for a reason, and I don’t know that some farmer in Timbuktu or an office worker in China might post something were.


My point was simple. I played golf for over 35 years all over the country and a few places outside of the country, and other than the Baggio Country Club in the Philippines where the caddies took care of everything, ball marks, poorly raked traps, and un-reparied divots in fairways are pretty standard.


Those 3 devilish things were run-of-mill problems here at RMCC when I joined in 1986, and I suspect they’ll still be problems in 2086. The fact is, not all people feel the responsibility to the other golfers that I did, or that obviously Ron does. When you have upwards of 50,000 rounds of golf on a course in a year, that’s at least 135 golfers a day, and in those 135 golfers, there will inevitably be some twits.


If you lost the match, I seriously doubt the only reason was that someone didn’t’ properly rake a bunker. Had you hit your shot on the short grass where it belonged, you wouldn’t have had to worry about the bunker to begin with. But, that’s only one shot out of what, 67? So you shot 68 and lost. What’s the big deal?


However, I do agree that it’s a good idea to remind everyone that they are the caretakers of the course. I was not trying to make Ron look bad at all! I was shocked that anyone would find it surprising that the folks who are members of RMCC are only human.

Daniel Maglionico's picture
Joined: 08/08/2007
Posts: 207
Ball Marks on Greens


Jack is right.  If we all would stay out of the bunkers there would be no need to rake at all.  And furthermore, if we would put our approach shots and chips into the hole there would be no need to fix ball marks on the greens. 

Jack Tavolario's picture
Joined: 11/07/2007
Posts: 64
Ball mark on greens.

Well, although that’s true, I sure hope you weren’t trying to be sarcastic at my expense. What I said about staying out of the traps and onto the short grass, was a way to say that one shot does neither a round nor match make. Failures generally try to rationalize why they didn’t win something by blaming it on anything rather than their own ineptitude.

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